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PluginIndia Electric Vehicles

E2O Vs Swift, Alto, WagonR, i10, Santro, Nano

25/9/2013

18 Comments

 
By Johnson
Today we pit the Mahindra E2O against not only the Tata Nano but also some of the best subcompact (small cars) of the world like Swift, Alto, WagonR, i10, and Santro.  Of course the only other car that is better is the miniCooper but then consider also its cost... which is not small in anyway.
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Mahindra E2O v/s Tata Nano
In this review the E2O takes on some of the best subcompact cars not one at a time but all together! We have compared them against 36 criteria.  This is done so that there is complete transparency and everybody is able to judge for himself how good the car does in that criteria. It also lays bare the strengths and weakness of each car.

Usually people think Santro is economical as it runs on CNG. But this review shows Santro is the most expensive even though the CNG price is less but it has the least mileage. Probably when the price of Petrol increases maybe then Santro-CNG will be an option… but not when you already have an electric cars like the e2o.  

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NOTE: The top variant of E2O in year 2014 has a Range of 120 kms
Is E2O a poor man’s car? Not exactly. Poor men travel by Public Transport. Car is for people who can afford a little comfort and for this there is that little extra cost. This bit is true for all cars. And this is one of the reasons Electric Cars will not get a subsidy in India, maybe an e-bike or an e-rickshaw might get these subsidy. Although the government has promised subsidies in April 2014.

Thus its not advisable for a person who cannot afford to pay his phone bills to buy a car. Just like its not advisable for those who cannot afford bread to eat cake instead. But then India is a free country and people are free to do as they wish. So its not strange to see a car in parking 28 days of a month and taken out may be 2 days.

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E2O’s price tag of around Rs 750,000 pushes it out of the smaller league and pits it against one of the best Subcompact car not only in India but in the ENTIRE World. (other better subcompact being the Lee Cooper). This is a huge task for a Version-ONE of any car (Reva car cannot be compared as “Version 1” as it was completely different 2 door car running on Lead Acid batteries). But E2O although beaten to 2nd place still comes out with its head held high and having some features that even the mighty Swift did not have and some features that the Swift will NEVER have.
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In the comparison chart Serial Nos. 1 to 30 denote the features of the car while 31 to 36 denote the Savings/cash benefits to the user. In the first part the Swift comes out scoring 10 marks out of 30 while E2O comes a close second with 9 out of 30 while Nano manages just 3 out of 30 and the fact that Alto scored just 2 out of 30 says how brutal the test was. Alto scores for its Automatic Transmission which it tied with E2O and then for better breaking system which it definitely needs due to its higher speed.
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In the Cash Saving test from 31 to 36 E2O out performs all. The higher cost of the battery eats a lot into the benefits of the E2O but still manages to save more than the rest of the cars. After 3 or 4  years when you will go to replace the E2O battery the cost will be much lesser and the technology would also be better. So the E2O owner doesn't fear of increasing cost while the rest of the car owners will face an increasing cost pattern. The battery is expected to last 5 Yrs if you drive 10,000kms per year (as most people do in India), it could survive up to 8yrs too but with reduced range. In the calculations I have added battery change every 3 yrs.
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Although this review was written in year 2013 within one year the E20 has bettered itself as the numbers above tell. This picture about performance has been added in July 2014.
Kitna deti hai? How many KmPL? Thats the favourite question... so here are my figures...

Of the Petrol cars Tata Nano gives the best milage with 25kmpL. While E2O gives more than 4 times the milage of Tata Nano.

E2O gives 120km per Ltr. 
How?? Consider petrol price per ltr is Rs 76. Thus for one charge (Rs 76) you get to travel 120kms. 

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The cost of E20's Battery is guranteed to fall and the cost of the Petrol cars is guranteed to rise. In 5 yrs the fall in battery price will be 50% and rise in petrol price will be 50%. The advantages of going Electric is you have kept away inflation from affecting your local travel.
September 2014 Edit:The benefits of EV are much more... the sense of freedom and liberation is hardly commented on! The freedom of just getting in your car and driving of to somewhere is not available to the guy with a petrol car as the fuel-cost is always on his mind. Petrol Price is Rs 76/Ltr

The cost over time of an EV is pretty cheap...lets consider 10yrs.
Cost of e2O=800,000
Cost of 1 extra battery after 5yrs = 150,000
Charging cost per day = Rs36 x 365days x 10yrs = 131,400
Total cost of Mahindra E2O = Rs 10,81,400

Cost of Alto or similar car = Rs 300,000
Cost of petrol at say Rs 76 x 7 Ltrs (to travel 100kms) = Rs 532 per day. Now Rs 490 x 365days x 10yrs = 19,41,800
Kms travelled = 3,65,000 (@100kms per day) = 36 services costing @ Rs 3,000 every 10,000kms = Rs 108,000

Total cost of Petrol car = 300,000 +19,41,800+ 108,000 = Rs 23,49,800 Plus add deflation to Rupee over the years and inflation to 1)  cost of petrol 2) service cost...3) lack of software updates unlike the EV to get higher range... in total the cost of a Swift over 10 yrs should be around 30 Lakhs. 

Cost of that tiny petrol car is DOUBLE I didnt include a lot of parts you might have to replace. Also consider the cost of the battery will surely come down and also the EVs can improve its range just by software updates and also by battery upgrades. So the range of the EV bought today could easily be increased to 300km in 10 yrs time. Presently the range has increased from 80kms to 120kms in the top variant.

If the aspect of improving range through better software and hardware improvement over the years is considered then the total cost of the petrol car is atleast about 3 times the cost of the EV! 
And to those doubting Thomas-es who are unsure about the strength of E2O I quote the below from Team-BHP Websitesource. This is proof that E2O is STRONG!... not even a dent!
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Conclusion:

The Suzuki Alto gets just 2 points out of 36 which shows how bad the car is, yet it is the most selling Car of Suzuki/Maruti. It has higher speed and better break technology (good-only-at-higher-speed)  - both of which are rarely used. Inferior products are bought because people are misled by the power of advertisement and people are not aware of the virtues of Electric car.

Swift comes out as the 2nd best small car in the shoot out. It has the best riding quality of the lot.

Out of the 36 key areas the E2O gets 14/36 while the Swift gets only 10/36. This is proof that Mahindra E2O is the best small car in the WHOLE WORLD... What a shame it could not even get a decent review in the ENTIRE WORLD!

Go ahead and buy your E2O... you will never regret. (Make sure there is a charging point near you, or you can pull a power line near to it).

18 Comments
Ravi
2/1/2014 05:07:00 am

Very nice article, encouraging us to buy E20. I am still waiting for affordable Hybrids before going all out to Electric.

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Johnson
2/1/2014 05:41:30 am

Thanks Ravi... but in my opinion with Hybrids you end up paying for 4 things - the petrol and the battery and the maintenance of Petrol Engine and the charging of the electric... in the end it would be more expensive than either the Only petrol car or the only electric car...

In the end you still end up depending on the oil... instead of the sun (solar charging) charged batteries...!

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Rajiv Srivastava
9/3/2014 04:43:32 am

The comparison appears incorrect - especially the part that says CNG gives lower mileage compared to petrol (which in turn distorts the whole analysis).

CNG mileage per kg is 1.3 times that of petrol (per litre). Cost being half (at least in Delhi), cost of fuel is actually less than half.

CNG kit doesn't require maintenance as such - just periodic tuning and a fitness test once every 5 years.

Electric cars are currently unviable - however much technologists argue. Batteries are too expensive and range is a deal breaker. No one wants to get stuck in the middle of nowhere with discharged batteries. Hence only few evangelists will use electric cars for shopping / commuting / dropping kids to school. It won't replace the main car - anytime soon.

I think Mahindra should focus on a different approach. Retrofit petrol cars with solar panels on roof top connected to electric drives on just the rear wheels - which are basically freewheeling in low end cars. NO BATTERIES.

How it will help.

a. Cost around 1.5 lakhs (which is anyway the differential between diesel and petrol cars).

b. No battery replacement cost.

c. Combined power WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY. To the petrol engine, it is simply like driving downhill.

It should reduce fuel consumption and emissions to half or less.

The only other technology required is a microswitch attached to the accelerator - when driver leaves the accelerator, drive to rear wheel should disconnect (so that power on rear wheels doesn't go against braking).

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Kamlesh
9/3/2014 10:59:17 am

Hey Rajiv,

Having Solar Panels on rooftop of a petrol car?
I'm just trying to understand - How will that work?

The Max Solar Power that can be generated from the Roof of a car would be around 80W - 100W, considering the size of a solar panel that can be loaded on to the roof of the car.

And that too on a Sunny day, provided the Panels face the sun in an optimal angle.

Now am trying to understand, how this much feeble solar energy can power an electric drivetrain (motor ?) of a car that weighs more than 1000 KG?
Ok even if you augement the power of the Petrol Engine, i absolutely dont see how this would reduce fuel consumption.

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Johnson
9/3/2014 06:46:19 am

Everybody is aware that the Santro CNG's milage is not more than 15 Kmpl. although newer versions claim 20kmpl eg:
http://www.carwale.com/hyundai-cars/santroxing/glscng-details-1496.html

CNG is not a viable option in my opinion as it is linked to purchase in foreign currency which is always in favour of the Dollar although the real price of dollar is 1/3 its present price. CNG would have been great if it was abandunt in India and not tainted by corruption. India would be the only stupid country in the world which is buying CNG from wells in India from Reliance in foreign exchange (Dollars).

If the dollar goes up or if the Indian Rupee falls your fuel price goes up. Today the price of petrol has made the cost of battery operating vehicles cost effective. After a few years when the price of Petrol climbs to Rs 200 and CNG Rs 150 I would still like to here your view point :-)

Biogas which is also CNG (both are methane) and can be easily created in-house by anybody... even a beggar... is the ONLY solution and a better solution than Electricity.

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Umesh Chauhan
28/5/2015 07:25:05 pm

My Santro CNG gives 25 km/kg of CNG on highway and about 16-17 km/kg in Delhi city.

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Johnson
30/5/2015 05:12:01 am

... and Tata Nano CNG gives 36km/kg which is almost double the mileage of most petrol cars... the CNG technology has evolved (refined) the most over the last few years...

The Tata is expected to come out with their NANO EV and Electric Mini Truck EV before the end of the Year.... most probably around Diwali... the festival of Lights ;-)

Vivek Rai
9/9/2014 04:17:01 pm

Mr Jhonson. I think you are trying to justify an EV at the cost of insanity. The average Indian (and by that i mean 85 to 90 %) doesnot drive any more than 60 to 70 K Km in 5 years. So assuming even a very bad milage of 10 KM per litre of petrol brings his petrol costs to about 5 L. Assuming (s)he is using a 3 L car,
that brings the total cost to about 8 L. Even if he spends 1 L on repairs or servicing which is an abnormally high figure, the cost of using a car for 5 years is at max 9 L. Nnow coming to the EV which costs 8 L upfront, has a battery replacement of Rs 1.5 L in 5 years brings the total to 9.5 L.

Again, if the petrol car user decides to sell off the car he can easily get about 1.5 L on Maruti/Hyundai makes which have good resale value. An electric car will have absolutely NO buyers.

As far as space is concerned, a Swift give MUCH more legroom ,headroom and back seat room than the E2O.

As far as peace of mind is concerned, i can be sure that i dont have to go begging a road side tea stall for a socket to charge an the EV.

I Stringly suggest that you compare apples to apples. I am not trying to belittle your effort or this site. I am just trying to make you understand that there have been millions of brilliant minds before you on this earth. And if they didnt yet adopt the EV then there is something very fundamentally wrong with it.

However i do appreciate your 'hard selling' of the EV. Are you paid by Mahindra or are you just a self appointed Environmentalist and a new age Medha Patekar ?

Anyway, i donot mean to be rude.

Peace



You are trying to justify something by giving absurd driving stats.

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Johnson
10/9/2014 06:14:35 am

Paid by Mahindra?...lol... I wish Mahindra would sponsor us... we could have done some better work and paid our writers for their excellent work. But seems like they prefer to do business the old fashioned way like how refrigerators were sold in 1995.. by way of Newspaper & Magazine Advts.

But the truth is the E2O is not expensive and it is the best subcompact car in the WORLD. I mentioned above that car for car Swift is better, not for what you say but for:

1. Bigger and wider-set-apart wheels - better handling & riding
2. Wider body - better shoulder space
3. Better breaking system - this is a must due to its higher speed.

But over 10yrs Swft will end up being obscenely expensive than E2O. There is no doubt about it.

Its true about your observations that average Indians do not drive so much not because their testosterone levels are lower but it is due to the high petrol cost which is getting higher.

When new car models came in and petrol price was Rs47 car sales were good. Since then it has kept rising...Car sales have plummeted exactly due to this reason.

Even in Europe the government is encouraging people to use Bicycles instead of cars not because Govt is concerned about health but because petrol is driving the countries into recession.

Electric Vehicles have great potential both in India and Europe. In India, unlike in Europe, much greater number of people are unaware about its potential.

My neighbour in Mumbai has an Alto has driven it for around 1500kms in 3 yrs... never switches on the AC... switches off the engine in traffic jams... has no quality music system in his car... But he makes it a point to get it cleaned every single day.... does he deserves/afford to drive a car?... I don't think he does! But he wants to show others he does... its his call anyway ;-)

The point of buying a car is to travel... not to put it in showcase...

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Johnson
10/9/2014 06:22:02 am

Edit:
When new car models came in and petrol price was Rs47 (in year 2010) car sales were good. Since then Petrol price has kept rising...Car sales figures have plummeted exactly due to this reason. Every year since then sales are falling to half of the previous year...FOR ALL Cars....

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Johnson
10/9/2014 06:29:38 am

Kitna deti hai? How many KmPL? Thats the favourite question... so here are my figures...

Petrol cars best is Nano 25kmpL

E2O gives 240km per Ltr. How?? Consider petrol price per ltr is Rs 76. Divide it by 2 = Rs 38.

E2O travels:
120km per charge which cost Rs 36. Charge it one more time for Rs 36 and travel another 120km. Total Cost Rs 72.

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dipak
20/5/2015 05:26:31 pm

Dear sir,
Let us first please be clear whether the battery will last for 3 years(mentioned in initial part of article), or 5 years (as used in calculations).
Anyway, I want to make 3 points about Li-Ion batteries:
(1) As we all own laptops, we must be aware that Li-ion batteries drain within 2-3 years @ 50% on written down basis (1st yr- 3 hrs standby, 2nd yr - 1.5 hrs standby, 3rd yr- < 1 hrs. standby, after 3 yrs- standby almost nil). Even Tesla Motors with their technology edge have been unable to break this rule.
(2) Li-Ion batteries drain WITHOUT BEING USED, in proportion to time. That is why they starting losing charge-holding capacity right after manufacture. The longer an appliance remains unsold, the lower the charge holding capacity. It is always advisable to see the date of manufacture before buying Li-Ion batteries.
(3) Li-Ion batteries drain even faster with heat. That means while you are happily parking your E2O in the sun to charge by solar power, you are simultaneously killing your battery life even faster.

Notwithstanding the financial arithmetic, simply put, the main reasons which have hindered demand of E2O in the market are
(A) The unreliabilty of Li-Ion batteries
(B) the two-door concept- highly abhorred by ladies and elderly passengers
(C) lack of rear seating space, compared to other cars in the same price range.
Even if you can prove the financial viabilty, the above factors will negate every other logic.

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Kamlesh
21/5/2015 03:15:10 am

Hi Dipak,

The problem is not at all Lithium-Ion batteries.
There have been Nissan Leaf's and Revai's that have been driven for 1,00,000 kms.

For an average person driving 15k per year, a Li-Ion battery pack can easily be used for 7 years.

There are tips on how to to use the Li-Ion battery pack to ensure your take care of it and use it for long long time
http://www.pluginindia.com/blogs/best-practises-for-your-lithium-ion-battery-pack

Regarding your other issues of 2 door, boot space - i totally agree.
A reva the size of an i10 would be perfect.
Hope they make it.

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Dipak
20/5/2015 06:22:21 pm

COMPARISON PERIOD : 7 YEARS

Monthly exp no of months Discounted @ Present Value
A Dzire (Petrol)
1 Down payment (15% of price Rs. 5.50 Lakhs) Rs. 82,500
2 EMI (on Rs. 4.67 Lakhs for 7 yrs @ 12.75% p.a.) 8400 84 8% p.a. Rs. 5,38,869
3 Petrol cost 6250 84 8% p.a. Rs. 4,00,944 Rs. 10,22,313
(50 km daily; 25 days p.m.; @14 kmpl;)

B e2o
1 Down payment (15% of price Rs.8.0 Lakhs) Rs. 1,20,000
2 Car EMI (excl Battery) on Rs.6.80 L, 7 yrs, 12.75% p.a. 12300 84 8% p.a. Rs. 7,89,058
3 Battery Charging cost 700 84 8% p.a. Rs. 44,906
(50 km daily; 28 days p.m.; @Rs. 0.50 per km;)
5 Battery replacement cost (Rs. 2.5 lakhs after 3rd and 6th year) Rs. 3,75,676 Rs. 13,29,640


Note : The Present Value of future cash outflows are calculated considering
8% as the Rec. Deposit interest rate which is the opportunity cost of capital for working persons)

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Johnson
21/5/2015 07:06:34 am

Dipak I am really glad that you have imagined the cost of Petrol to be stable for the next 7 years at Rs 62. Everybody knows it will go up unless Reliance find discovers to rival Gulf Countries.

Car batteries DO last a long time Mahindra have mentioned the battery to last BEYOND 5yrs. In August 2015 Tesla will bringing in a battery that will last 10 yrs. So you will not need to replace battery frequently.

The base of 7 years that you have taken is not good. A car's value is accounted over 10 years. 50kms daily with mileage of 14kmpL will bring average annual travel to consumption of 10,320 Ltrs of fuel.

Assuming Petrol price to stay Rs62x 10320=639840+6L Car=12L

Assuming Petrol price to stay Rs72x 10320=7430406+6L Car=13L

Assuming Petrol price to stay Rs82x 10320=846240+6L Car= 8L

And in 10 yrs the total servicing cost will come to around 4L... add
that

I spent around Rs 368,000 on servicing my Civic in 7yrs without any major part change! It has run around 151,000 kms.

But now 2015 the numbers of CNG have changed and CNG Nano gives a mileage of 36kms per KG which is excellent. CNG can be created in house via biogas digesters... which makes it literally a free fuel form!!!


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Johnson
21/5/2015 07:59:02 am

Edit "with mileage of 14kmpL & 50kms per day x 25 days month x 120 months will give a consumption of 10,320 Ltrs of petrol in 10 yrs.

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nirmalya
9/5/2019 08:33:48 am

what will be mileage per single change for Mahindra e2o in a congested city like kolkata where one has to press break every minute?

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