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Garuda - All-Electric, All Indian Super Cruiser

12/1/2016

Young India Power Systems is developing, India's first ever, All-Electric, Lithium-Ion battery based, All Indian Super Cruiser.
With a stated top speed of 132 kmh and range of 500 km. This is surely going to be a game changer in the Indian 2 wheeler electric bike industry, who have only built electric scooters. This electric bike would appeal to larger variety of the market.

Message from CEO - Mr Swarnab Banerjee
Young India Power Systems is a technology company focused on providing quality engineered solutions to global markets. We’re thinkers, creators, inventors and innovators. Our solutions and services cover all aspects of electro-mechanical product design, development, rapid prototyping and production. Our engineering teams are geared to understand customer requirements, assess user experience and product reliability in order to create technology that truly delivers customer satisfaction. With a seamless integration from design to prototype and volume manufacturing, we provide a one-stop solution to your product development needs. We offer competitive solutions to customer specific requirements.

We are on a mission to prove that electric vehicles are superior to gasoline-powered alternatives. We want to accelerate India’s transition to sustainable transport. With full torque at zero speed, zero combustion and zero emissions, Young India’s products would be cars redefined without any compromise. Each new generation would be increasingly affordable, helping the company work towards our vision: elegance is electric.

More updates on Garuda will follow as and when PluginIndia receives them.
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39 Comments

12/1/2016 01:44:33 pm

500 km range? Has anybody even though how much battery will be required even for a motorcycle?
Logically, how is that they can tell you exact max speed to the single km/h and range is so round number?
Be realistic.

Customer Support

12/1/2016 03:24:52 pm

Thank you for your query. The answers to your questions are provided below.

500Km range is a tested value. However, like gas powered vehicles, the range varies based on driving style, traffic conditions, terrain, etc.

We have performed extensive analysis and calculations on the battery. The battery quantity is function of energy usage (i.e. how much energy you need to move a load a certain distance). Our patented battery management system and regen technology allows us to provide the best range.

Our exact speed is measured based on motor rpm (rotations per minute) and wheel diameter. This is physically measured so it is very accurate.

Please follow us on facebook for more information.

12/1/2016 06:28:08 pm

Thank you for your comment, however, it brings no answer to my question at all. Since I don't have fb neither even open it I prefer to get my answers straight.
So, would you please share how much of the energy will the battery pack in such bike has to achieve said 500 km?
In xEV word the range estimation is standardized, you may use ECE-15 or NEDC or EUDC. In such way you are able to compare the range between various vehicles without the said "driving style, traffic conditions, terrain, etc.".
So, I would expect it shouldn't be a problem to give the battery capacity value if the vehicle was tested and the range was achieved.

Customer Support

12/1/2016 09:37:26 pm

Thank you for your query.

The standards you have suggested dont apply to electric vehicles. The test methods are mainly for emissions testing. They dont show any real value in determination of range for average Indian city commuter or cross country driver.

I have quoted a text from the standards below.

"ECE+EUDC. The ECE+EUDC test cycle—also known as the MVEG-A cycle—was used for EU type approval testing of emissions and fuel consumption from light duty vehicles [EEC Directive 90/C81/01]. The test is performed on a chassis dynamometer. The entire cycle includes four ECE segments (Figure 1) repeated without interruption, followed by one EUDC segment (Figure 2). Before the test, the vehicle is allowed to soak for at least 6 hours at a test temperature of 20-30°C. It is then started and allowed to idle for 40s.

NEDC. Effective year 2000, that idling period has been eliminated, i.e., engine starts at 0 s and the emission sampling begins at the same time. This modified cold-start procedure is referred to as the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) or as the MVEG-B test cycle."

Electric vehicles compared to gas vehicles are multiple times more efficient. A battery to tire efficiency of a well designed EV is between 60% - 80%. Further details on the efficiency information will be provided in our technical papers in due time.

In regards to the battery capacity question, please stayed tuned to pluginindia.com as the technical details will be released in due time. The data will be released on Facebook and other websites.

Parul Shah

12/1/2016 02:08:00 pm

Me and my husband are avid bikers and we would love to check out this product. Will you guys have a presence in the Auto Expo @ Delhi?
Will the bike be showcased?

Customer Support

12/1/2016 03:31:36 pm

Thank you for your query. We are not going to be exhibiting at the auto expo this year. However, we will be visiting the auto expo.

The products are currently in field testing and pending motor vehicle registration. We are expecting this to be complete Q3 of 2016. We will be exhibiting next year.

Please follow us on facebook for current information.

13/1/2016 01:34:12 pm

Comment for Customer Support's answer from: 12/1/2016 08:07:26
For some reasons there is no option to reply you directly.

Anyway.
Please ask someone with automotive knowledge to explain you the idea of driving cycle. What would be the purpose of implementing it, is the secondary case. All of those cycles are being successfully used for benchmarking the xEV range as they define the standardized driving pattern that can be repeated for various vehicles.
Lets go even further. Skip the said standards, and use SAE J2982. It is defined for electric motorcycles range measurements.

Or simply skip the standardized procedures and tell straight, how much energy Garuda requires to reach the 500 km range.

Satish Reddy

13/1/2016 01:47:16 pm

My guesstimate would be around 7-8 kWh to achieve a range of 400 odd km for a bike that weighs 250 - 300 kg?

Just for comparison, the Mahindra e2o electric car which weighs around 800kg has a 10kWh battery

It would be nice if the company gives us more details.

13/1/2016 03:13:50 pm

For real built electric motorcycles like Zero you need 14kWh pack to achieve 300 km city driving range. And the curb weight is 200 kg.
I've serious doubts if the company will be able to give anything.

Babu Rao

13/1/2016 04:22:10 pm

It is also possible Zero makes a shitty bike. For example, Harley's LiveWire has range of 53 miles with 12kWh.

People with stocks in oil are going to be dissapointed.

Prashant

15/1/2016 04:33:57 pm

Mr. Q keep your stupid doubts to yourself.

15/1/2016 06:50:59 pm

It takes one to know one.
Proving my doubts to be stupid can only the company by bringing the product of said parameters to the market.
Otherwise the tag “stupid” remains at you full (pun intended).

Rajesh K

13/1/2016 05:03:08 pm

This looks like a very good design. Is the product made in India? How are you planning to sell it?

Customer Support

13/1/2016 07:49:27 pm

Thank you for your query. The product is designed and manufactured in India. We are currently looking to distribute it through certain dealerships. This will take sometime to setup and gain traction.

Initially, we will be taking orders online and delivering the bike directly to the customer. Our applications team will be available to be present during commissioning. We will be shipping these products internationally as well but constrained to the South Asian market.

Asif

13/1/2016 05:16:01 pm

I am an avid biker and I would love to take this ZERO emission system for a tour to the Himalayas.

How are you dealing with Indian road conditions? Specially water-logging and road craters.

Customer Support

13/1/2016 08:07:04 pm

Thank you for your query. A ZERO emission system whilst touring the Himalayas should be wonderful. We can customize the bike with mountain ready tires and accessories as per customer request.

We have been analyzing suspension systems and have engineered a good design that will meet Indian requirements. We have optimized the weight on the cruiser product to give the customer best maneuverability without loosing the heavy cruiser feel.

Water-logging is something we have been analyzing and have not come up with one answer for all. Every product we sell is water and weatherproof. But this does not mean they're water-tight! If you submerge any of these products in water, it will seep into the openings and likely cause damage. Just like an existing gas bike, there is a certain relief height, beyond which the system cant function in water. However, we have been considering a water tight package at-least for the lower chassis. All these customization can be added later or during purchase as per customer request.

We understand and support the need for customer specific customization.

Al Pachino

13/1/2016 05:31:44 pm

Cool Bike. What is the cost? If you guys can deliver what you promise it would be great? Will you guys be selling it all over India?

Customer Support

13/1/2016 08:27:31 pm

Thank you for your query.

We have not yet published the cost of this cruiser. This will be done once the product is ready for customer demos. This will be published after the registration process is complete. Regardless, the incentives being provided by central and state governments are attractive.

Please note the operational cost benefits of an all electrical drive train compared to a gas powered system. Compared to a gas power cruiser, Garuda has almost ZERO maintenance costs. Fuel cost savings is around two orders of magnitude. The data showing these benefits will be released with the technology papers.

The product will be available for purchase all over India.

Johnson

15/1/2016 04:10:45 pm

Awesome Bike... It would still be a great bike if it achieves 200kms range. But Electric Vehicles due to regen usually are able to go beyond their rated range. For eg the E2O with company rated range has been known to reach 160km range. Adding solar panels on roof can extend the range even more but more than that it will recharge DAILY... yanni...every single day... WITHOUT NEED FOR PLUGING IN to charge.

If this company can get this bike out with 130kms speed and 500km range this bike can dominate the world 2 wheeler market. NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NEED TO TEACH INDIA HOW TO MAKE BIKES... afterall we are the world leader in 2 wheelers... the only problem in the Automobile and 2 wheeler market has been the companies are not willing to experiment as much as they do in other countries.

The company can remodel the seat from single to multiple seating with longer seat that extends over the rear wheel to accomodate a full family ;-) or atleast more than one... this can also be done after purchase without much effort.

Johnson

15/1/2016 04:59:48 pm

Electric "Motorcycles" will always have more advantages over electric "scooters" as they can carry more weight, riding comfort, easy handling, bigger wheels will ride smoothly over ditches and bad road/uneven surface, better suspension, bigger disc brakes giving better braking, and can handle ANY SPEED unlike scooters with small wheels that are DANGEROUS at any speed over 80kmph.
Beats me every time when people want to develop Electric "Scooters" as these are just scooter or motorcycle as long as they are Petrol vehicles. As Motorcycle is Manual Transmission and Scooter is Automatic Transmission. But once 2 wheelers are fueled by electric batteries these words (scooter & motorcycle) to a large extent loose THEIR ORIGINAL MEANING and refer ONLY to vehicle body shape than to transmission. A lot of Girls today prefer to ride "motorcycle" than scooter because of its advantage of comfort, speed & power.

Nothing stops the company from also making slower 30 kmph bikes too... a category that will not need ARAI testing, registration nor licence to ride... thereby cutting considerable redtape. This was THE CATEGORY that sold in lakhs previously (year 2007-09).

Electric tractors are also a very lucrative and VIRGIN territory

Johnson

15/1/2016 05:02:56 pm

"Electric tractors are also a very lucrative and VIRGIN territory" - Mahindra may be the leader in Indian SUV market but still they get half their profit from making Tractors and selling to Indian farmers :-)

Johnson

16/1/2016 02:17:21 pm

Since li-ion battery bike cost around 1lakh for say approx 100kms this bike could possibly cost around 5lakh (500kms) which would seem very expensive in India but abroad the bike will be cheap as the Indian rupee is becoming cheaper-than-ever due to the huge dollar loans that our country loves to take) the company could give the following options based on different range:

150kms = Rs 150,000
300kms = Rs 300,000
500kms = Rs 500,000

Now this would seem good options

Note: Fairings and windshield are a must for any electric bike... AERODYNAMICs bhi koi cheeze hai... ;-) also add custom built gps navigation display built by MicroMax... good enough to take on the World!

Customer Support

18/1/2016 06:47:50 pm

Thank your for your suggestions. We are offering many items included in our offering as add on accessories.

It will be great discussing your ideas further. You can contact us directly at info@youngindiapower.com.

Kamlesh

16/1/2016 03:49:33 pm

Hi Young India Power Systems,

Mr Q raises a very valid point.
I too wonder how you would fit in a Lithium-Ion battery pack, which will enable you to get 500 km range on a bike of this size.

Can your technical team elaborate on this?

For example 3000 Watts or 3 KW (3000 W) could be the power needed to maintain a speed of 50 km/h (3000 W is very little power for this kind of a heavy bike).

So, in this example, if you travel for 10h you will travel 500 km.
At 50 km/h you will need a battery who supply 3000 watts per hour (or 3 kWh) to travel at that speed.

For 10h that mean a 30 kWh battery to go 500 km range.

This kind of battery alone will weight around 200 to 250 Kg with current Lithium-Ion battery technology.
Not to mention the prohibitive cost of a 30 kWh battery pack.

Have u guys done any technical feasibility on this 500 km number?

I dont think 500 km range bike would be feasible at the current costs of Lithium and also weight of battery to store that kind of energy (30 kWh) would also makes it impractical.

I would like to have your Technical team to send us a follow up writeup on how you intend to achieve your targets.

We @ PluginIndia are looking forward to more updates and progress from your end. Good luck!

Best,
Kamlesh

17/1/2016 01:08:35 am

Finally.
Someone who has patience to point the obvious truth.
A virtue I always lack.
The reason for me being such a pain in the neck is that I organically detest people ruining the xEV market trough false promises. Someone may genuinely try to bring a good bike in India that has a range of, say, 150 km, which is pretty ok for city travel. And then a company X pops-up with magic 500km promise and people start to question the first one.
If you travel 30-50 km per day a carry around a battery capable of going 10x the range it means you are wasting energy (and the performance) for noting.

Mr. Mallick, my regards.

Q

Kamlesh

18/1/2016 10:28:26 am

Actually i was hoping the company would come out with more details, when u were chatting with them here.

The CEO says he will release more information gradually.
So all we can do is wait and watch.

Customer Support

18/1/2016 06:49:36 pm

Thank you Kamlesh. YIP will be sharing more details and videos shortly. Stay tuned.

Neha Sharma

17/1/2016 11:37:09 pm

If a person is traveling 50km per day, then with Garuda he will have to charge it only once in 10 days or 3 times a month. Kind of "fill-it, shut-it & forget-it" vehicle.

18/1/2016 01:20:21 am

And that means again riding around with unnecessary weight of XX kWh battery. And once per 10 days waiting 10x longer to recharge the battery to continue the madness.

And on top of all - who is going to pay for that on the Indian market?

But we can tear apart ourselves arguing on non-existing, not realistic project and in the meantime they get plenty of free advertisement.

I would like to back-up here Mr. Mallick and call the bluff.
If YIPS has anything to show - better do it soon.

Kamlesh

18/1/2016 10:27:18 am

While the idea of 'fill it - shut it - forget it' seems tantalizing, it must be noted that Lithium-Ion batteries discharges based on environment conditions daily.

Also the cells in the battery pack prefer to be balanced and "topped up" , for them to last longer. So it is advisable to keep charging even though u dont use it.

19/1/2016 02:10:17 pm

The li-ion cell self-discharge depends on various conditions, not only the environmental/temperature but also it is proportional to the State of Charge or internal resistance. Idea of topping up cells to balance them is also not the best solution for all kind of cells due to fact that anyway the weakest cell "failure" will be visible at the discharging by rapid voltage drop below the cut-off voltage.
In my experience designing proper balancing is not that trivial as everybody say. Due to production variation, especially large capacity cell, differ to each other sometimes significantly even if they are rated at the same capacity. Most optimal would be balancing them energetically based on the difference matrix of capacity and Ri(DOD). In such way you are able to limit extra heat losses and achieve prolonged lifetime of the battery due to controlled degradation.

Customer Support

18/1/2016 06:52:51 pm

Thank you for your comments. What you are suggesting is very much possible. There will be some over all differences. Our state of the art battery technology and power train is designed to provide exactly what you are talking about.

Roshan

18/1/2016 06:43:11 pm

Does the company plan to setup re-fueling stations? The company website talks about there power technology products.

This will be a great item to have.

Customer Support

18/1/2016 06:56:30 pm

Thank you for your query. We are looking into this side of the business. You can follow us on facebook for the latest news.

12/2/2016 03:15:08 pm

I'll just close the topic.
Vaporware. This was it, from the very beginning.

mohit joshi

2/5/2016 09:31:41 pm

So u eyeing launch date sir? n are u eager to move on to 4wheelers too?

Harsh Mittal

24/10/2017 04:09:39 pm

When will it launch ??

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26/12/2019 08:15:23 pm

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1/4/2021 03:54:37 pm

This is a great electric bike. I want this garuda bike in England.
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